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Posted by Bayman on July 08 2008, 23:55 PM GMT The_Wog, you're absolutely right! Miandad was out LBW more times in Pakistan than I thought. He played his first Test (vs NZ) in October 1976 and his last Test (vs Zimbabwe) in December 1993, beginning and ending his career at home in Pakistan. In 17 years of home Tests he was out LBW on eight (8) occasions. In his final series (vs Zim) he was out twice in this way. Brandes got him in Karachi (1st Test) and Brain got him in the 3rd at Lahore (the only time at Lahore). Of course, I'm not sure if this last one was a Test or a social game against the Thunderbirds. The first bowler to get lucky was Ratnayeke (Sri Lanka) at Sialkot in October 1985, a gap of nine (9) years since his debut. At the end he had clearly lost it. Out four (4) times LBW from November 1989 to the end in 1993. The subsequent successful bowlers were de Mel (SL, same series as "Rat"), Emburey (E), Reid (A), Pabhakar (Ind), Morrison (NZ) and, of course Brandes and Brain (Zim). As you suggested, I looked it up! Posted by GavinT on July 08 2008, 21:31 PM GMT ICC have shown they are unfit to run cricket. ICC's action in overruling the result of the England-Pakistan test sets a dangerous precedent and strikes me as illegal. What happens next time a team refuses to play on because they dispute an umpire's decision? Will the ICC cave into them? The laws of cricket seem very clear: 21.3(a) A match shall be lost by a side which... (ii) in the opinion of the umpires refuses to play and the umpires shall award the match to the other side. 21.10 Once the umpires have agreed with the scorers the correctness of the scores at the conclusion of the match...the result cannot thereafter be changed So the result is not subject to review by the ICC or anybody else. Don't think Hair was right in his original ball tampering decision and don't think he should be umpiring at this level at all now, but he dealt with the refusal to play correctly and had no other option. Posted by HipHipHurray on July 08 2008, 18:45 PM GMT Jenkins Do you mean to say that sledging other players about their wives is ok but not McGrath about his wife? I mean what is the rationale you trying to give here. Best Posted by PottedLambShanks on July 08 2008, 14:54 PM GMT I have to say, I look forward to the day when the non-Asian teams leave behind the Asian ones and their facile, bickering, clueless fans. The sooner the teams who want to play by the rules leave behind the likes of Pakistan, the better. Hands up if you will miss discussing "cricket" with the generally vicious and unpleasant Pakistan fans? *points both hands firmly downwards!* Posted by Bayman on July 08 2008, 12:40 PM GMT Sorcerer, see we do have something in common. A shared view of the merits of Inzy. He won't be missed. Anyone who noticed his selfish, appalling lack of team spirit during the World XI match in Sydney a couple of years ago would agree with you. He didn't bother the bowlers too much I can tell you, it looked like he wasn't interested. As for Greg Matthews you've got me there. Didn't see it and can't remember it. Mind you, if an umpire gave me out when a bowler held me back he'd have to wait a minute or two for me to extract the bat from the bowler's head. And I wouldn't expect to see him umpiring again any time soon either. I'm assuming a tangle as the two collided. Matthews is many things but a cheat is not one of them. In fact he has strong views on the traditions of the game although I'm sure he pushed at the boundaries occasionally. He played hard and did not lack confidence. Posted by Sorcerer on July 08 2008, 10:44 AM GMT Jenkins...ICC cleared Pak of ball-tampering and you had experts even from England who testified against "Hair" judgment. There was not an iota of evidence to support the outrageous act of Hair in calling Pak as cheats and he copped it big time as a result. Regarding Inzy, I agree he was an atrocious skipper and a dumb dictator too who was treated rightly in the end as he was thrown out of the team despite pleading "for a few more years" on TV shows and interviews post the last WC debacle. If anything that was a result and just desserts for him for he exercised sham piety and was a rank hypocrite and tempestuous individual. The fact that he had been punished by Pak's match-fixing inquiry commission some years ago should have obviated appointing such a shady character as the skipper of Pak in the first place! Anyhow, he is gone now and not fit even to commentate on TV with his hilarious style of rambling incoherent chat. Posted by Sorcerer on July 08 2008, 10:32 AM GMT Jenkins...I remember another amusing incident - this time involving Greg Matthews and Mudasser Nazar in an ODI in Sharjah in mid 80s. The bowler stopped the batsman from completing a run literally holding him by the shirt resulting in a run-out, and was merely all smiles when the batsman protested as he had to leave. Those were the days of no minimal cricket coverage and outrageous acts of transgression mainly from Aussie cricketers. It did not affect the result though of the match as Pak were cantering to victory. Posted by Sorcerer on July 08 2008, 10:26 AM GMT Well, it's moot whether Sikander following through too early can be construed as cheating or not, but the norms of warning by the bowler are definitely there, and I believe still practiced. Regarding McGrath's acts of provocation, really he himself was to blame for all that he had to endure. Once you start calling opposition batsmen as faggots, you really do not deserve any mercy. What the Asian teams of 70s and 80s had to put up with on a tour Downunder - utter abuse bordering on racial tinges too on occasions, it is not surprising now how they refuse to brook any nonsense given the days have arrived when Asian cricket muscle and clout is much bigger than those of other nations. Posted by Bayman on July 08 2008, 10:22 AM GMT Sorcerer, may I now address the issue of the "official" clearance after (your words) an exhaustive investigation. This would be the same ICC which just cleared Zimbabwe of any ....... well, you know what I mean. I'm not sure we can actually trust the ICC to put the rubbish out let alone uncover any wrong doings by it's favored sons. What I don't understand is why India goes to so much trouble to protect Pakistan given the history. Pakistan must have some very interesting photographs is all I can imagine. How did Inzy ever become captain anyhow? That was the real mistake. Posted by The_Wog on July 08 2008, 10:11 AM GMT A bunch of people that seem to only ever watch one team. Sure, Hair has had problems with Asian teams. He's also had problems with AUS, NZ, RSA, ENG, ZIM (Flower) and WI. After 300 matches, you're going to. Umpires favor AUS?? Worst umpiring of the IND series was Rauf in Perth, and remember Dar in the Ashes series? (Martyn does!) No team but PAK has ever been accused of ball tampering? Tell that to Denness and Tendulkar. Chappell's never criticized Hair? He's pro-Murali! And calling chuckers from the bowlers end is the only way it can be done (either that or from the striker's position, which would presumably have got Hair more criticism). The MCC could have, but didn't, take that power away from the BEU. Oh, and Miandad was out LBW in PAK a lot more times than people thing - look it up.
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