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Posted by riteshlamsal on July 10 2008, 14:29 PM GMT We need a spinner with NOT just quality. I've always felt that the quality of a spinner not only lies in the magic of the fingers & the quickness of the mind, but the kind of impression he can leave on the batsman. Spin bowlers are in for some rough times ahead - flat test pitches that don't turn until it's the 3rd or 4th day, flat ODI pitches that hardly offer any turn, & "ridiculous" T20 pitches that DON'T turn at all! So being a wizard with the fingers might not be sufficient for a spinner to stand tall against the test of times. How often do captains turn over to their spinners when the going gets tough in ODI's or T20's? HARDLY EVER - omit Vettori and Murali - the answer would probably be NEVER! The genius of Warne lied not only in the big leg rippers and cute flippers - so many bowlers can do that (may be not as consistently!) BUT more importantly the kind of personality & image and & awe he projected on to the batsman. "It is not only what you do, it is also what you can leave." Posted by Uncle_Diggs on July 09 2008, 02:45 AM GMT All I really have to say is that I am really looking forward to seeing how Mendis turns out. This lad has thus far proven near on unplayable, like Warnie and Murali at the top of their game. Watching Warnie and Murali weave their magic often had me shaking my head in disbelief and amazement. Here's hoping Mendis will do just that. Posted by RichardHobbs on July 09 2008, 01:05 AM GMT I find it rather ridiculous to be suggesting that the spin cupboard will be "bare" upon the departure of Muralitharan and Kumble. Sure Warne, Murali and Kumble will be gone but these guys are freaks of the game; they are the three highest wicket takers in our game, with 2051 wickets between them and counting. We still have Vettori, Panesar, Kaneria, , Mendis, Harbhajan, Harris and a lot of other potential. That's a line up of spin bowlers that the 80s drought would've been crying out for. In fact not in the history of our long game have there been many periods with more quality spinners. Also it's fair to say that with Vettori, Panesar and Harris the wonderful art of left arm orthodox is arguably at its greatest height since the days of Bedi and Underwood. This plethora of spin bowlers can only get better with experience and players such as Vettori could potentially be spinning a web around this article by his mid 30s. Posted by ashwin_547 on July 08 2008, 19:00 PM GMT I think you are right, Australia aren't producing any more great spinners. Casson barely makes the cut. MacGill was good, but he was sidelined for decades. The next great one may be Mendis - I presume this article was written before (published later) the Asia Cup final. There are some good spinners around and some good ones outside the Test world. But Warne and Murali will never be replaced. South Africa have struggled on many occassions due to their lack of quality spin bowling. They should send Paul Harris to Warne or Murali or Jenner for some coaching so he comes out world class. On a side note - Vettori is an an incredibly good spinner! Posted by Scube on July 08 2008, 17:55 PM GMT Ajantha Mendis has definitely created some curiosity among the cricket followers, especially after taking 6 Indian wickets in a flat track! But, the line up didn't include the top 4 current Indian batsman and all of them play spin exceedingly well! So, his real litmus test will be the upcoming test series. If there was one spinner who could consitently bowl well to these four, it was Murali. And even Shane was a big time failure against this line up. Let's see how Mendis fares against the fab four! I won't be surprised if AM becomes just another spinner after a season or two! Posted by Shash28 on July 08 2008, 17:50 PM GMT I think alot of the Saqlain quotes here are valid but the point is Mr. Stern never said Murali created the Doosra now did he? Posted by bruciewalker on July 08 2008, 13:10 PM GMT As much as the Aussies and Asians are lamenting their spin reserves, spare a thought for us in the West Indies. West Indies sucess was built on great spinners (Ramadin, Valentine, Sobers & Gibbs) but since Gibbs retired we haven't truly invested in a spinner. Roger Harper was only used when the wickets were flat but still managed to win a couple matches by a combination of his persistent bowling and fantastic fielding. During the 90's, Ramnarine threatened to reverse the trend, but politics and a few poor matches left him out of favour even though his overall record compares favourably with most of our quicks of the last 20 years. Now we have a new batch of potential WI spinners. Mohammed & Banks appear to be already forgotten, so lets now hope the selectors stick by Benn, Miller & Jaggernaugth and, most of all, that we learn how to make the most of their capabilities. For starters, perhaps someone should suggest to the WICB that we send them to play a season in the subcontinent. Posted by NBRADEE on July 08 2008, 10:52 AM GMT You all are complaining, but let me give you a quick quiz: can anyone recall a West indies spinner who was given more than 10 Tests / 25 ODI's during the the last 15 years when we slipped from first to worst??? Each and every guy that was chosen suffered tremendously as they were expected to emulate some other great spinner of the past or present, and allow the West Indies to turn the corner on the road toward new success. This is just part of the horrible management problem that passes as the WICB! Posted by SLVIEW on July 08 2008, 10:46 AM GMT Yes, Murali and Warne are unmatchable. But the thing is they never came to seen as heroes of spin. Both of them took time to show there capabilities. The luck they got was they were never dropped from the side after their debut. Even with poor performances both SL and Aus believed in them. The spinners who came to the seen after them, never got that chance. For example there was a spinner called Nimesh Perera, who broke the schools record which was set by Murali in school days.SL board got him into side once if I'm correct, but all of them were expecting magics of Murali from him. He failed and never got an opportunity again.So if we want champion spinner on show, all the authorities should give budding spinners enough opportunities.In the case of Ajantha Mendis(AM), it is the same case. .He has showed his class. But in few months, sometimes in the coming test series, the Indian team which had no answer might hit him all around the park.But SL must keep faith in him. Posted by molloyboy on July 08 2008, 10:43 AM GMT Being a leggie myself in Australia, I know better than many how difficult the art is. Warnie was a freak, a once-in-a-lifetime sort of bowler, as is murali, however suspect his action is. The problem is that people still don't like leggies because before they are inexperienced they do go for a few runs. But all through their careers, leggies go for runs, so for any young leggies in any national side (including left-armers like hogg, casson, bevan etc.) need to be shown confidence by the selectors like warnie was shown by border and simpson. That way they get confidence in unleashing their full arsenal and are more likely to bowl to their full potential because they know they won't just be sent back to domestic cricket the second they don't perform.
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